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Postage would be set at £3.95 (UK) per kit regardless of contents. This is very average charge and perfectly acceptable in the UK. Overseas will always be more. A CD will not fit the package and as we intend to show video help on the site in the future this would be pointless in my mind. Help and How to pdfs are already shown on the site for those whoe need pictures etc.

I've ordered one too. Norman

I have had a reply back from Simon about the possibility of producing high temperature plastic bodies. Not good news unfortunately Simon Kohler Dear Adrain, From memory I believe we ended up creating new tooling or at least heavily modified tooling for both the A4 and A3 models. As for your request to run off other types of bodies, firstly the cost would be prohibitive as they would need new bolsters etc. plus sadly they have all be scrapped. Sorry. Kindest regards Simon From: Adrian Campbell Sent: 01 June 2018 13:00:27 To: Simon Kohler; Simon Kohler Subject: Commissioned job to supply Hornby bodies I seem to recall that when you originally made the Live Steam A4 and A3 you used older/redundant moulds (from Triang days?) just in case the high temperature plastic damaged the moulds. Did it damage the moulds? Would Hornby be prepared to supply a batch of bodies using the same high temperature plastic using old Triang moulds for, say Battle of Britain9FCoronationTranscontinental Hiawathaetc Kind regards Adrian Adrian CampbellChairmanOO Live Steam Club

I never said that you did. Bodge was just the word I used to make my point about your concerns. For those who did see it the box is right, the material and padding are right but the first attempt at fitting it into the box was not perfect. None of us have seen the finished product yet but with the discussed higher quality finish, more work on the interior and applying the badge plus limited edition certificate I have every confidence it will be worth the money.

Great idea on the seal sets and screws. A tool set would push the cost too high and if needed it can be bought as an extra item. Lubric-8 can go in but we need to watch the margins as this is a running oil not a maintenance oil.

Check out the under side detail!! The bellows/air canister goes in and out!!!! Amazing!!!

Agree. To be useful it needs to have the basics+. There is nothing more infuriating than to but a "maintenance kit" and then find that everything you need is an extra and it's just a marketing ploy. We also need to consider size and weight, although as I have said before, I have sotpped using rip-off Royal Mail and use iPost, who pick up and deliver, or for less you drop off at a depot and you could get extra things, like tools all in the same price, rather that pumping p&p up every time. Then there are instructions. I suggest a set of pdf's on a CD. CD's are almost being given away at the moment and would cost less than printing in colour, so factor the weight and cost into the overall price. Norman

Actually, I'm still waiting to see a finished box. The last I heard the insides were getting a makeover? Yes? Is there a production version of the box yet? I do agree with Nick about the concept. Long term (I hope!) when swmbo gets to deal with my last will and testament then value will matter but for the moment I agree with Chris. I just want to run it.

Well done Maurice. Unprompted fast action like that will will ensure that the 'Club Promise' will have real value.

Ha ha!!! .....But of course Mr Bond! Maybe we should ‘brand‘ the boxes with the cert number and the owners name for posterity. That should add value!!!!!! I use a limited edition RC transmitter that has its own dog tags with the LE number and my name!!! Very personal and rather nice!!

The order for 13 items has now been placed with Kentish Embroidery for a total of £161.87. This includes a discount of 15% but as it is taken off the total, not the items for ease unless anyone objects I will total the individual orders based on the list price and so that the discount will go to the club (as done with the previous orders)

I totally agree. We do know that for all practical reasons any new oolsc product would need to be made in china and the initial up front tooling costs alone, would be in access of £100,000. Without a firmed up drawing/specification package to formulate any meaningful unit costing together with transportation etc we are talking about seriously large amounts of money on a potentially very limited marketplace. I also think that the floating boiler of the 9F makes an 00Live steam version, totally impractical. You could possibly make an 0 gauge version,although once again outstanding contemporary 0 Gauge model live steam manufacturers such as Muhletaler and Gianini tended to concentrate on the Pacific Class outline. For the time being and /or until someone comes up with a couple of million quid to indulge our passions (whilst many out there still consider 00LS to be somewhat eccentric) we really have to make the very best of the available and still seemingly numerous,existing stock. Which Maurice has already sussed out. The question of who owns what in respect of patents etc is a topic for another day. However patents have a life of around twenty years. Whereas copy right is yet another subject. Not sure Huw is necessarily going to see this but its a fun topic to discuss anyway. Also makes one appreciate how extremely fortunate we 00Live Steam enthusiasts are to ever have had the product manufactured for our continued enjoyment to this day. Charles