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Noted However I'm not really the best to awnser the chaps questions

It does look odd but it is hard to see what is actually happening so I have replied and requested more information.

Mines landed now!! Exquisite!!!!!!

What size?

I'm fine thanks Chris

Ere!!! What you trying to say!!! 😆

Hi, two more loco sales, a Papyrus and a Silver Link, both used. Profit to the club is £413.72 owed to me Papyrus £514.75. Silver Link £183.70 = £698.45 Maurice

Hmmmmm,,,,I feel It does rather detract from the original concept of a super special Limeted Edition loco. The saving is only 20% of the proposed deal but would affect the value by possibly 50-60% a la Matchbox models. (One day it may end up on the market and a full package will appeal more than a split one) .....also so if we supply just a repainted body and a certificate,,then these could just end up on eBay as profit makers and never see a loco in a boxed rebuilt manner as originally intended. Less work for me though!!! ::-)

Hi, apologies error in the above, owed to me £1406, all detail is with Eric.

Which message thread is this in? I have not read it on the website. There are two distinct questions here. 1. What would it cost to get dormant locomotives back into club control? 2. What would it cost to create a new LS model? Looking at question 1, it begs the question "How do we find hidden locomotives" and echos some of the questions I raised in relation to the Hornby project but which have never been answered about how many were produced and where were they sent to (countries). A large advertising and marketing campaign about a buy-back programme would bring some locomotives to light, but exactly how many and from where, I think is any one's guess. When we have no idea how many there are out there, or where they are, it is difficult. Huw suggests a 9F locomotive. which was a 2-10-0 wheel arrangement. My suspicion would be that as the current LS locomotives are all Pacifics, 4-6-2, there could be fewer or lower cost implications in fitting an existing design into a body shell, perhaps a streamlined Stannier Coronation Class locomotive, than even an unstreamlined Pacific, where the boiler, body shape and crucially the "blue sky" between the boiler and frames which makes the profile of the original difficult to reproduce with the LS technology. From recent experience I have had with some engineering work I have had commissioned, the design and then production of something new, even new/old, is costly, even when it is a reproduction of a previous part and uses some standard metric size metal. Who holds the patents and the design copyright for LS? simply copying what Hornby produced may not be legally possible. Recasting some small, no longer available parts, is not the same as copying the complete inner workings of an A3 or A4 and dropping a new body shell on top. The tenders also are different, so there is a lot of design work to do around a "new" model, both internally and externally. These days people want their models to "look like the real thing". I still have my original Hornby Dublo Silver King. It was fantastic for the era it was produced in, but would not pass muster these days even for a start up. Just looking at the details difference between the Hornby model of Spencer (Thomas series) and my old A4 shows the order of magnitude change in external detail. As a train-the-trainers person, I teach reflective practice. My starting point on the design would be: If we were to start again with a blank piece of paper to design a Live Steam locomotive, what would we do differently to make it better? Hindsight is the most precise science known to mankind. We know that there was insufficient thought put into the material which new owners received in the box about firing and running an LS loco. The miniature marvels run well, but were/are perceived as difficult to drive. The fact that so much brilliant technology was sandwiched into such a small space is incredible, but without access to the manufacturing which was used, I think a conservative estimate for going from design to prototype would not give much change from £250K. I'm most certainly not advocating that we don't do it, or never consider the project, but think there needs to be a healthy dose of realism about what is involved and what it would take. Norman

Hi Mike, the loco is sold, Nick has been away and has not got round to taking it off yet. I have just bought another Scotsman, it is in good used condition, the box is as new and none of the accessories have been used. I will be putting it up for sale at £350, I have tested her, could do with a service, but the loco is undamaged, not crashed both steps in place and not glued on. I have not serviced her yet, so if you want as is, and she is for you and not to sell on £300. this will still leave £50 for the club. I’ll ask to Nick to have a look at the banner, Maurice

That means you’ll be probably paying for two then!!!