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A fleece for me please, size L

This may sound stupid, but is one allowed to change another's copyright without permission? Maurice

Would you start the bidding at a low figure with a reserve of say £350? After all as you say we don't want to be busy fools. We don't want to give the loco away as the guarantee itself must be worth £50 and ACM are selling rubbish for £225.

Go ahead!

As it’s not a shop related item ( only product I sell are in the club shop) it will need a ‘club clothing’ link adding somewhere on the site, maybe replace the Apple link as it ( the webpage) doesn’t seem a problem now on iOS

OPtion 1 please

Hi Adrian I'd like a video please. There will be committee members who have never read the manual, but they might have looked at the pictures. Or they might have started, not understood, so gave up. But not everyone will be comfortable actually admitting something, in case they are (wrongly) judged. A better question might be, "has anyone had difficulty following the manual?". Norman

On the public track at the Roadshow I often get adult operators to follow the Hornby instructions. They ALWAYS set it off too fast which, on the radius 3 oval (that the Instruction Manual says is the "ideal track configuration to learn") virtually guarantees a crash. That included Ed Bachelor from Hornby who came to 'have-a-go' and he was responsible for the design of the controller system. I do accept that errors, omissions and misleading advice in the Instruction Manual was not the only reason for buyers becoming disillusioned but it is an easy one to address, particularly for those buying for the first time.

Through training and background, I am a manual person. I'm not paid to be a 'Test pilot' and prefer to learn from others mistakes, so I can go and make my own different ones, safe in the knowledge that I have added to the experience of humankind! I read the manual first before ever trying to steam my first LS loco. I also watched the DVD which came with the boxed set, and neither were a lot of help, so realised it had shortcomings and learned by trial and error. As a trainer/instructor, I have had to study the theory of how people learn, and most people learn better through experience than by reading a book. There are a number of different learning styles but very few people know what theirs is, although they may have "discovered" their preferred learning style, for example because they get more from a YouTube video than from a sheet of paper. Through geographic location, I've had to learn on my own, before finding this club. Members of this committee aside, I know no one else who has a LS Loco and never seen anyone else use one. So the amendment sheet for me is of use, even though I am past the "L" plate stage. A video would be of use as well. For anything - mechanical, hardware, software, whatever - I get a manual, preferably in PDF format because they take up no shelf space, are easy to find when you need one and can be easily searched and indexed, but I know that I am not typical. I am a visual/spatial learner, by the way. When I have a student or students, I give them a psychometric test so they can discover their individual learning style and I can tailor training accordingly - not something we can do with LS owners, so we need a "one size fits all" approach. I think the sheet produced by Adrian is a huge improvement, but not all LS owners will want one, and fewer still will actually do the manual amendments, but that is not a reason for not doing it. This thread is now broadening beyond the vote for A, B, C, D, E and F which is probably unhelpful. But it leads into the question I posed some weeks ago about having a club strategy, to put on paper what it is that we, as a management committee are trying to do in taking the club forward. The amendment sheet is a development, but what else needs development too? Norman

Full steam ahead.

I vote Yes i vote yes

Seems straightforward to me, we the committee get discounts, via Chris orders,,, members do not, what they pay will be a bespoke undiscounted price with a bit added for us as a commission. Their undiscounted price will offset our discount so the supplier is not out of pocket. That’s how I read it anyway.